Fostering Hope 09.10.17.mp3

Fostering Hope
Sunday, September 10th

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Welcome to fostering hope a program that opens the door into the world look Foster care and adoption sponsored by Foster adopt connect. You'll hear stories from all facets of Foster care. When kids who've experienced the system firsthand from parents who were taking on the challenges and rewards of creating for ever Bailey's four Foster children. And from child welfare workers in policy makers who work within the system while also working to make it better besides you're an important stories you'll learn how you can help society's most vulnerable children in big ways or small. Please welcome our host the youth program supervisor at Foster adults connect. Nathan Ross. Welcome to fostering hope I am your host Nathan Ross hurt my co host Jennifer count then. I can I need scenario I'm doing well healthy and is I think I surprise you can usually ask me I'm doing just and I asked to Paris and even if Brad. Oh yeah. The accident. We're joined through with a quick Denise Goodman today Heidi how are you. A great. They say thank you for being with us house of this month segments are on transracial adoption and the whole experience from the perspective. Parents they're professionals and the young people who are doctors transracial family soap. These key starters are talking about who you are how you relate to this field would you do. Sure I mean he's good men and I'm the social worker actually didn't social worker took 41 year actually he been around for awhile. And lucky number of different jobs few years in actually became a Foster parent when I moved to Columbus, Ohio. And they'll light that says. You know there was a lot more kids. Of color coming into care and in their work off your family and became kind of interested in what that phenomenal what about. So I go out of work now can believe Cheney around Foster care and adoption issues and in particular. Doing a lot of work a round of recruitment is shaped. Connect on some. And I actually had the pleasure of seeing you present at Tarik thanks knack act conference. On targeted recruitment which I loved and I do you extreme agreement. For a Foster dot connects are always looking for better ways says increase our pool of potential adoptive resource think on the lot of really great ideas for me as a thank you so much that. One of each month. One of the things you talked about that I really. They're really piqued my interest was talking about turning your crew men racially and ethnically diverse Foster and adoptive parents. And I know I'm one of the reasons why that's something that. Lazy no worse discussing here are some one of the reasons it was brought to social worker's attention is. That there are disproportionately. High numbers. If I'm for instance African American children in Foster care group in comparison to the population and an off so. And that's reflected in our Foster and adoptive parents can can you talk a little bit about batter Howell we might have come to this. Uneven ratio yes. Sure actually. Child welfare historically has never done a very good job observing. Children of color whether they're African American children native American children Hispanic children children of nick great short hair cage. Though he never have done a really good job of doing it. And historically. Those community at care for their own. And as years went by and millions. The growing need for Foster care and net came as a result of the recognition that could care was not. Really healthy clean for children to grow up and we started moving toward more community based care. That. Weird child welfare just didn't do. And a great job of reaching out to communities of color. There were the exception of programs. That homes for black children per example who's he can see where. A committed exclusively to populations of African American children grandchildren. And certainly the tribes. I did work the creek and we split their own children as well I think. Well we kind of look back to how we got quickly we are actually gay and think that communities of color has never been treated well. They had a negative relationship. Listen publication C. They eat. Had not trusted the agency because they were treated fairly. And equitably that are tremendous number of broken promises. Slowed the willingness to step forward and get develop a public agencies hindered by this long track record. Hack bad experiences. But in addition on the flip side then the public agencies never really reached out to these communities. I think a lot of the concede that tried to recruit her Foster and adoptive family. Preferred a week two people come pick them. And code is open. A group of people don't feel comfortable or kill. Nervous were threatened by a coach he needed seed you're not gonna come forward and consequently your children. Will be lecturing and did either in higher levels of care. I'm. Or far away from their family. Those some of the barriers that agencies had put into place. Has been that. Some of the rule is that have been established. Regarding income. Or family shut share. Or other things we're entrances to. I need the color L I think some kind at adding actual. Or. Embellish wolf that make it more typical her family to be able to come forward. We really didn't get out and beat it beat the paint me in these communities and held them. Bet you want you we need your children he troop technique beauty even milk. Eat. And keep your numbers are children of color that we're in our care can give you need the apple of working in one jurisdiction where clearly 8890%. Of the children coming to care for African American could barely. If he could get all the formally shall African Americans yet this particular jurisdiction. Was recruiting from. Hundreds and my hope away Kyle Stanley and not in their own backyard. Where African American can only work. And so will we stop that from happening you mentioned you can't recruit. Outside into account the current account you can actually tell me and we had to go low income neighborhoods. They can make critical as we currently get one that's because he's never been here. To recruit. Family. And what's happening is they're children literally hundreds of miles away. And slowed the children were able to receive necessary services that they needed. B look at this sit with their parents and siblings are extended family and frankly probably didn't get a regular basis from their own social worker. And then. Do you are being provided good service and choke consequently children of color. And incredibly disparate outcomes not only do we have a higher Christians in Egypt children African American children. Native American children could spank children are in care. They weren't in general population but the outcome of their children work incredibly poor compared to their white counterparts Lincoln day. Level of care so frequent they went into group care settings. We lack of current feature adoption so. It took a mega could change or happening in regard you have no because we've been looking at Oklahoma. Where we have 39 tribes. Headquartered there and here or anywhere between twenty to twenty crackers and children care. Our native American children and yet. It took them a lot of our cooperation collaboration coordination. Have been tried in public and private agencies work. Jointly to increase the number of leave American family that would be available. To care critic okay. And they mentioned different than the historical problem and as the number of children in Foster care woes and rows and rows. In the critically at the late 1980s. Early 1990. There are any children are getting stuck in care. That some legislation was passed multi ethnic placement back. That basically said creeping into a very conclude the few local federal law. That we can't go layered and I child's placement. In Chile sponsor captain Stanley based on the race color or national origin of the album at the handling Milan have said in. Okay you bias on men did normally into ethnic adoption provisions some neat and cemented. And that met in the past we would say well because we could find an adopted family. For this child. We would have to search verse 68. Twelve months or family the same race. Before we would even consider trans racial placement. And needless to say listen controversial law on many sites. The second piece of legislation good that he couldn't. The later tonight clamoring to become across your about the color or national origin because huge barrier to work put a could be Stanley. True policy Kubel drew the structure of the program. And we could not. Barricade them promptly. Sit in many more than these families are being encouraged to step up for the children. And Lance leaned into the point. Well the point where targeted recruiting comes in and that all that you must diligently accrue and lead to reflect. The race and ethnicity children in our care. And so we have to have a good handle on hard data. She you know how many children in our care represent intra racial and ethnic group. We have to have good pension how many families. We have. Whether they're classic and he's whether they're damaged waiting per cap. Her caption. Actually get a sense of are we rarely recreation any family in case on the same. Plainfield if you well I totally equal in that pursuit. And we talk about recruiting. In keyed to color it means we have to change. What we've been doing so we keep doing what we've only done. We're gonna get but we know we've got now means that we're not going to have the family. That we need for the children. Currently in our care. Perhaps who oh and sorry we actually have to go to break found soon though when we come back. Definitely pick back up on this conversation and how do we start engaging. On multiracial families and hearing from the kids in Foster care so when we return on fostering hopefully here we'll hear more from Denise could. Okay. Welcome back to fostering hope I'm your host Nathan Ross threw my co host Jennifer Townsend. We're talking with Denise committee today who is our expert in this field of child welfare especially in terms of transracial adoption engaging communities of color. These before breaks you're talking to us about some of the long held. Injustices that have been present for families of color in communities of color in terms of having kids reflect. Herb came which reflects the children there and care and so we wonder if you talk to us about. How do we what are some specific ways that we changed the conversation how do we. Help families appease the color. Engages conversation how do we help social workers engaged in this conversation how we get past perceptions. OK yeah I think that I'm the first protection. That we hack you to get beyond it says. Apparently in at least in the community. Don't want to set up for the children they do desperately wanna step up for the children but again the lack of information understanding. About what Foster care is and how you go out bit how you get started is a good. Quake that we have the kind of recognize that this is our business and child welfare but the general community general public doesn't stay understand all the DT else. We are looking at PAD. A color that has had thank you could relationships with. Public agency or private agencies. Work with public agency you know I think first and foremost we have to start building the relationship. With individuals like you need better leaders. So we're able to go wind with our data in hand and feel the same age you know. That young 32% of our children and caution care are. African American art Hispanic are native American native Alaskan but yet. Only 12% of them are. That's incredibly power more information to people who are leaders in the community. And I think that we have to go in with essential humble man. We have to go to the community not weekend what we couldn't come to us. I think we have to work you. Listen to the community leaders and tell us where we should go and who we should talk to and who are the important. Kind of de facto leaders that the community. I recognized it and being pregnant that you can't do they drive by you have to go beat irons leading to the community. Are a Porsche church is uniquely cheek are the convention are going in. On each that you become a picture. Net community and I can't really good comedian and asking for something because that's what happens the government collision could something good doesn't reciprocate. We're able to go in and say look we want to keep your children in your community. Like he really get children back to their families and how that can happen when their ocean home. And we know that there are critical links in this community I know that working Cleveland for example. We only had the approach her directors have a director Chicago's starting that conversation. Anyway to a median where she hadn't played it can you gate course to accomplish and it recognizing that there will be a lot of anger people there she knew that in advance and got a lot of staff compared to help. Deal with individual issues that we'll come up. You know she invited them to come down and ability to see where children were kept until we could kind of family and when they came down in. Peek into the room work you know babies were crying in and children were lucky he and teenagers were depressed looking waiting for a friendly they could look we're engaged in damage that you pick on our community. And we loaded up a bus and he could come around and it took us around and showed us made it shrinks the community. Olympic family swear word the exorcist where that we had no idea keep this is actually bake. I can clear approach. To becoming engaged in doing what Everett page contract that particular collector began how smokers get out in the community. C community plan so that Stanley it would have to make the trek downtown. And right there are no neat they're all the service is well established needed so clutch time. In May be about giving. Before you kick it out I could get. I think the media in the point in the conversation when you start. Talking about those. Trying to think annihilation you know try to start with these critically intriguingly. You would work cuckoo clock. In their own they cheer you on jurisdiction that they don't know you know how many kids across how many left without family last year. I'm how much near clay more than a hundred miles away from their homes. And let me start talking about that it it it it really turned the kind of turn people as needs right now we're looking like they thought since 2012. Younger children coming into Foster care has grown. While the number children in Foster care has declined meaning that at numbers get bigger and bigger. Well we're we're probably 450000. Children in cost you care right now and clearly a course that children awaiting her adopted family. And so. We need folks except Oregon we know that. Their children waiting currently only you know probably. 2225%. And the children African Americans. Another twenty to 22% are Hispanic. So we do has. I think significant numbers of children of color leading cleric Abdullah could damage in the average late in the annual colonel H are trying to mandated. 21 month. Lilly arrange a week to. Be come a week more proactive. In terms of recruiting family. Up for adoption could be. Kind of after the weaker people can hopefully see that child's picture on the web site and had good luck of the community who they'll get. Denise do you have any examples of this being done where we're going on the communities shared you know the story of you going into an event. Are there examples you know people changing that conversation and seen the results of doing so. I love my favorite stories is. How Cleveland. And we had only recognize that one at the hub of the African American community. Very grassroots cubs. Worthy barber shops and beauty polyps. And of course. You know that's what people come and visit he got certain slot stories. And so we recruited well and okay her cloak. You collar barber shop owners shouldn't. Talk to them about how you cared you not shin and if we could play materials there and healed educated them enough that they could talk about Foster care and adoption. And they became our effective recruiters right in their own anti establishment so people would come in lady lake sit down in the chair and just like a permanent today and that's beauty shop owner assailant got popular permit future kid can enter a brochure and start talking about it. Or the barbershop you know it could take a picture a young man getting his hair done by the barber and people come and say who's that picture and doubling the picture which you and he came that. Great young man who need to adopt the let me tell you about him so they became. The messenger or us on a very grass roots level. About those children and it really incredibly exciting to see that happen. And that you very different then. It typical recruitment strategy. Listen you will have those folks begin to talk about it absolutely. Absolutely. Who get another one of course you can let a well known one picture in Texas where. I'm very culture let you know at all in the and they cherish you know look as they fellowship together ill adapted. Probably sixty kids between all members of the congregation. The family support each other and help each other. So say they think recruitment in need of color is incredibly. Effective as well but again and we're going up to build those relationships. You know we have to. Be willing to listen he's willing to learn. Be willing to. Build intake is trying to build a relationship could be here all the time. To provide information to provide via. And not just due to dry by recruitment will drop auction brochure and keep going on. Matsui and worries people so do we have to go to break the one who return can't talk about how. How road. At the end of perceptions of transracial adoption and how do we way out. Adoption for kids seeking out adoption general verses. You know waiting for less damage to local like the child so when we come back on fostering hope we'll continue the conversation with Denise can. And. Welcome back to fostering hope I'm your host Nathan Ross here with my co host Jennifer Townsend we are talking with Denise Goodman today. About transracial adoption in the perspective of a parent and professional. These before break we have talked about how they engaged. Communities of color and that taking in children. I'm for whom they look like someone to talk about the wind it doesn't work out when we are well we have kids who were in care for multiple years. And there's a theme Wayne that's available that mine eloquent the child how do we way out. When we start recruiting outside of a child's I'm race aboard. And that that's only the cup question and they think an incredibly a loaded question if you welk. That's. In between we make it child wait longer in limbo. Or you need to look at that family that are currently in honor. Our care and had them illegally should. I think it there every family for every child annually because the child has many need to unique array of needs that Stanley Cup consider when. I'm saying he had to adoption per child. I think that. Particularly. In. Some of the need to color. The yen net there is a month and grandchildren being adopted outside of their race or ethnicity that. The child may lose their sense of self development of very panicky. And consequently be very concerned for the future. Of that child. And I know that Linda multi ethnic. They can act passed in 1994 the National Association of Black Social Workers. Lose. Very shall only opposed that curriculum well that was the most. Racial genocide what their children. Of course the flip side of that equation is children he could be eat someplace to grow up in the clip down group. And fairly big bad. As social worker should really need to be thoughtful about the pain of being in limbo in doubt not having family. Vs. Waiting waiting waiting that family could come through the door. Now on the child's perspective I. And compared to come to speak on a panel that night and I class Lohse training and he I'm. Started to. Kind of wiggle in the feet nice city at the addition do you like it saying he came up and yet these parents are Caucasian you know I can't yet African American. So we are talking heat nine at this time won't they won't be at the end they are. I appreciate that that the Patricia change slowly ice it normally one of the lucky ones like he'd still get the look sisters Brothers or sisters. And I ask LaToya. You know how how you feel about that he says. Hey I have a Kelly who must mean that's the most important thing. And what I way you can help felt to be adopt it because. Current. We hit genie says home sweet home. So I think our kids. Maybe you've been waiting for a long time and all anxious to go out what their future's going to be the fact that there's only who loved them. Am animal care for them and can build a life what then is very important. I can't cook and in talking to older kids about it. I know you ask them all the time and having kids speak in training she acted handling. You know it they know how it being Hilliard African American teenager led by an air field I can and can't Asian. And they said you know that be okay as long you learn to take care you crap believe expect me very silly joke with them that I went out about a bagel oh perch at duke they blush every day in makeshift let go Akamai why Nutten. They explained that they have different needs than I give. So I think that learning about each other is an important thing and he's. Children who are not ration entertainment and the important thing to work harder on it we learn about each other. And that is certainly the history can be. Traditions I know you're working with high it ever so important. That their children and they connected to learn. The language in music is food. History and pride and tradition all those kinds of things so. I think that. Maybe we need it because it barely even think about. You know are they a bit. Aria is the challenge. Of doing this and I would like to carry any damage they certainly tempted to think about it. I know that. I'm Chris Young kid it's not a comfortable situation could that I actually had seen that a lot with children who are multiracial. That perhaps they look when labor identify another way or another raid. And I think that becomes well cared require social workers to have. I think treaty are our conversation with children about how they feel I'm where they beat most comfortable on I think you could Wear. Being thoughtful about. The person being being thoughtful about equation that the patient so people can get to know each other. Parents and children get to know each other informal relationship. We begin under Ian look important to each other is a good place to start in the cart to those. Relationship actually think that. You know. Are not kidney family that that number one saint I think. We can't go into the building those parent child relationships with blinders on not recognizing. What the uniqueness of the challenger may be cricket country and only mild consolation. In regards to what their kids might be needy children in her book you know I think regulatory system. You know had Allen actually look in the community. And not only to help the child Billick that the now that I accept a challenge my home who is racially different than I am now and forever. Multiracial family know I have to learn how to manage I know what to Foster parent myself. Cheeky young girl this store with her older sister and we wish Cheney at the checkout counter and these two girls actually you're biracial. African American occasion Lamar tiny half liter bottle of black. Mean give our fight for our side. I look at them in language to Sterger should you know I don't remember. The wake of the girls and what the end of the conversation got the car up out hysterical my mom that is not but. I'm pretty Fathi. Nine yeah or anything else. Yeah hanging out like I think it's something that Stanley young need to be buckled up and ATP he'd be thoughtful. In Shelley factors it's definitely need to be making only one to make sure whether the child has. Com bin. I figure if she trauma is the challenge had been sexually victimize me how has your golf syndrome look at how has other racial need at least need to group cleared. He their shouts a child needs. Well there development like spent. I think that's a really good Leno that we're not. We're not talking so much about the children you are Ari the lake. Let's take place in a Foster home that is willing to adopt or who otherwise have a permanency resource allowed in the conversation or how to especially with me with a camera crew men looking for adoptive home for children we're talking about the children. Who don't have permanent seat and when I look at my board of kids they are predominantly. Older African American boys and I mean I think 75% of the kids who weren't you with now fact that he's straight NE no criteria and that's what. Although it was a little four and they don't have permanency resources and so. Not only is that demographic but when I'm having conversations with those particular children a lot of then not all of them and that's why it's so important to do a case by case you know conversation hammer relationship and a lot of them are asking Q. Return to their communities. To be close to their family to be with a family that. You know all looks like of their family year acts more like they are family. And if that's not important to it and then great that opens the door they say it is important and then I wanna make sure that we're trying new giving them what. They're asking for and it. And so he's like in your opinion how old how do we wait even that out so if you know for myself when I was going through Foster care my family my adoptive family is white and at this time in even now. I didn't care I wanted to Stanley. Dead on and me and more specifically actually didn't want a black mama because my biological mom was black and my weakens her wanna smile who didn't look like her movements I didn't have to connect to them. So how do we. How do we wait that out if McCain is adamant that they either do you want someone a watered them or they are adamant they don't we find a feeling that's opposite to what you know how we Wayne an hour how we are those discussions are we giving them. The voice but also doing what we think is best. I'll say for right perspective it's just part of the conversation and so I would I do. I would love to get a child everything that they once but I also wanna make sure that we're. Keeping an open mind to what that might mean right so I I definitely had kids Wear that to heart I had and we have a child actually right now that feels very similar. TO and so that's what we're looking for you know ideal leave but we're keeping it. Sitting pretty open and because you never know I can find it right. I you never know that that connection and that connection card because that child I think it is why those things where sometimes. You know people working adoption and and limits. Speak of the workers' social workers at this point I'm totally encouraging older kid about adoptions like we should. You know it's like you don't be adapted deal you know and and I really encourage him that to recognize that we're talking about the rest of your life at that stage yet underneath healed. You know you can't accept it when you're like 28 or 35. He always need somebody says call when something great happened like Sharon celebration or that struck them bumping somebody you know we'll have your back. And I think sometimes kids will say no I know what that kind of family asthma because that's open to family because corporations because. Erica turned up to adoption we have all kind of bull ring cheek. Between your sanctuary choir truly great relationship with a young person and a lot of conversation and can be able to appreciate I think the Canadian like he did that some people. Yeah I package is say look. Island and at how the dad because I look actually beat her mother's. You can host and solid B with two women psychic debt collection with a ticket about where they're gonna feel most comfortable and be able to slide in to become a family member. Pretty quickly. And I think basically a kids get older. And and still teenagers again Leo how much each usually have to make. And I'm you know I'm kind of going through my adolescence and my identity development and ilk I get this football recruit other community and even the great starter Alex it'd. And military entities and Rick yep and so are we had to go to to break out and so when we come back we're gonna wrap up the conversation. We view and talk about action steps how do we in the community get involved how we help this I'm conversation move forward with some. But some positive action so when we come Foster hope we'll finish our conversation with the east couldn't. Okay. Welcome back to fostering health. I am your host Nathan Ross here with my co host and for Townsend. He'd been speaking with Denise Goodman today about should the transracial adoption adoption and Foster care experience and how do we engage communities of color with children of color. And a bunch of different tools of the trade and so Denise. I'm as we wrap up can you talk to us about. Maybe some of the things that parents overlook when they get into taking in kids from different ethnicities and cultures so. And also some pointers for people in general if I'm in the community how do I. Engage in this conversation productively. In a way that's gonna best help kids. And. Well I think ilk are parents. I think the first step would be lower yourself. No arm yourself what you're shrinks are your limitations. Are in regarding to pier nineteen children under their control unit might inquired you'd educate yourself. In talking with parents who've already perhaps entered into trans racial adoption there's tremendous number of books. When legislature about that that you can learn about that but telling that all these are only knowing yourself is also Millie you're extended family. No I have an extended out Stanley one client who are they were they got it children I think some. Korea. And didn't realize that grandpa who caught the Korean War was. Really upset about it had a hard time what that says you have to think beyond your own household for the people layered on how I lit. Your neighbors your community your school system. And we'll they'd be accommodating. To these children that will become your children that activate saying. I think it's okay if he can't do it. He had many children have. Who are minority children who need adoptive families today. So I think million Shelton thinking about then surely important. And I think that. You know might be something to step up and begin to have that conversation I'm going to reach out to all the parents you know iPad African American parents should look like children. We cut Hispanic children can't take African American children so. I think everybody needs to think about their ability to catch themselves could care per child cyclical man. But I also know what it means you care that child kind of as a political story. Was having a Stanley and rented a woman in the elevator when timeouts. At the building and calling on African American woman holding on the handled a little girls that four years old the warm. She says yeah I got the love bogey yesterday and to stand here to finish up paperwork in my glut congratulations and I look at the child they're here so. Bringing grief yes and the sound so you look like they're great match out there are treated just like well baby. And I said well. I don't let you know you don't have to do that are like children but he was so committed to treating a child just like she would let her own but there are some differences that we have to be aware yeah pet corn that we're taking care where kids yet she's wonderful wonderful woman yeah hurt. She she wanted to just take care children and she could a great mom. And how politically dead so it can't be thinking about my parents haven't thought about my unit that I. It that they need to do is get some information. And think about it but if that's not or your family or your neighborhood. That's OK too but there are many other children. Didn't guard the right. Oh sorry I just was gone and no real quick and at the neighborhood thing has come up and a close friend Hugh was. Had a relationship with an African American boy age and they were considering adoption and I'm that they were from a very small town in the middle of Missouri and it ended up that he was just dead set against it's they maintain a long relationship he's actually returned to his mother. That I was it was it was a deal breaker as he just didn't feel comfortable in that area. Yeah it's uncomfortable feeling they took my turn now and we have to be recognized seeing Neil fortunately racism is still. I'm a life in the fortunately well. Our country right now to our children to continue to be safer damage to be safe than twelve so they could big decision to be thinking about. You can be the best you can hear me or could this year made for the child but a lot of people think about Paul and everything and I think he can be great. But he can also be a vehicle can't offer they want. Kicker HTTP go in terms you're doing I think you have to recognize that personally that excellent customer service for everyone that comes into your agency. Acknowledges applicants lecture caught other clientele as well at they have people who are responsive. We actual who are available to them. I think that that's critical because we aren't I doing and people don't go respected it get around the community very quickly. Paring down barriers and family. We only have training on Wednesday night will be at sunken needs when the big church service just gave you gotta you gotta be nimble. He'd be able to meet the needs a family week situations where. Yes you can they had bars on the windows so we had to go to that. She get the fire Marshal to a crew that we headlock on the inside the windows. That they could you know be able to become licensed Foster parents. We take jurisdiction who only wanted people to be pocket can kick and I high school diploma well and everybody gets to finish high school and you know because they join the military to take care of the family members you have to pared down those barriers. And get the community involved because we need. And nobody can be but you can't but the community could support the people who will still feel it. Make bacon if they think he 88 done that. Where are they taking care of the elite who stepped up their children by helping template. He next got a bed or ye shall learn a great need somebody help the child homework. I think that getting involved with that community. Becoming a picture in my community learning to be reached echo in my community. Is. Incredibly important if we're going make any headway sharing with the children not sharing that data. At first step being willing to be flexible. Think it's a really important thing we're going to engage people continue because traditionally. We have not. Connected within the past. I think I would also like to see stores community businesses that we know she. There are GGC when you go into a store families and you know depictions of families. You're seeing Foster families error you know adopted looking families who are different races so. You know people get more used to it accustomed to it's an NBC is in that store you EC if and we realize he you aren't attempted to ask some of the questions that make kids. Chris and George makes parents you know their eyes bug out so calm you are there other ways that the average community person can be and often that's. I think the average community cursing and can spread the word that the point nine. Would be to spread the word in regards to. I'm so it per person that. If I do indicate quicker than the chair that to my church. And economic here and let people see that. And I'm willing to go a little house party work some really Jennifer could come over and act like friends family neighbors. About. Adoption and scared the open Nook Color. If I'm at at the community person willing to. Let you know opportunity for great stories in the newsletter where I work for in the club or church I belong to. She could stories about children who are waiting you know opened doors for recorders is a great way to community he can help. Get the message out about about the kids. So yes that is awesome it's actually a perfect place for us have wrap up. Think he's so much Denise for being with us today your information was beautiful. And I think we've got a lot that we learn from this. He'll open future discussions so again thank you so much for being with us today. Thank you for the opportunity appreciate it. 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